Actually governments know how serious this is, so in a way, you can’t forgive them…By and large the public are very responsive to good leadership from politicians, to having a problem explained to them and having it explained what everyone is going to do. That is not really happening. In a sense that is what Extinction Rebellion are really arguing for. When they say they want an emergency declared, what they are saying, in a broader sense, is that they want better leadership from our politicians.